Mineral Imbalances And Your Period with Kasey Goins
Sometimes what we blame on hormones is not that simple.
As you’ll learn on today’s episode of Hormonally Speaking, there are root cause issues that underlie hormonal imbalances. Kasey Goins, a functional diagnostic nutritionist, expert in women’s health, and former physician assistant focuses on getting to this root cause with her clients to help solve not only their hormonal issues, but other health concerns, as well.
✨Kasey’s experience of being a Physicians Assistant and why she left the field in order to work with functional nutrition
✨Why minerals are the best place to start when trying to find the root cause of hormonal issues
✨The biggest health issues that women face
✨What the usual missing piece is in someone’s recovery
✨And so much more!
If you’ve tried to work on hormone issues but keep hitting a wall, this episode is going to help you to understand the why, how, and what testing you need in order to start making real progress. Watch our interview below:
Kasey Goins is a functional diagnostic nutritionist, expert in women’s health, and former physician assistant. Over the last 3 years, she has helped hundreds of women overcome hormonal imbalances naturally with a root cause approach through group programs and 1:1 work.
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Hey everyone, welcome to this week’s episode of Hormonally speaking. Glad you’re here with us as always, I have a another wonderful guests this week, and we’re going to talk all about hormones. We’re going to talk about all the fun things that go into helping your hormones and figuring out what is going wrong when you’re not feeling so good. And her name is Kasey Goins. and she’s a functional diagnosis Diagnostic Nutritionist, expert in women’s health and former physician assistant. Over the last three years, she has helped hundreds of women overcome hormonal imbalances, naturally, with a root cause approach through group programs and one on one work. You can start your own healing journey by downloading her free detox guide on her website at Kasey goins.com. Welcome, Kasey.
Kasey Goins 0:48
Christine Garvin Yes. I’m glad that you are here. So I definitely want to dive into your story. But let’s start off with I think this is a big question for so many women, when they have what they think is hormonal imbalance, right? Because a lot of times, we put everything on hormones, when it’s not always that simple. Right. But when they think there’s hormonal imbalance going on, where do you feel like is the best place for them to start?
Kasey Goins 1:12
Yeah, so I love this question. Because there’s, there’s a couple of different facets of facets of this. And the first thing I think is like, anytime anything is going wrong with our body symptom wise, anytime we deviate from normal, first and foremost, like that’s our cue that we need to dive deeper. And that’s our cue that something is wrong in the body. And it’s up to us to actually look and start to explore, you know, because we’ve been told, like, our entire lives that what we consider to be common is normal, and it’s just not the case. Right? So, So anytime there’s a hormonal imbalance, like we always want to dig deeper, we always want to ask why and what’s driving it. And the second piece of this too, is like I always have I have all of my clients start with minerals, like always, they are, you know, your, your top four, your calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, like, those are the spark plugs to your hormones, if your minerals are off, your hormones are going to be off too. So we do a lot of work on balancing minerals, we do a lot of work with nutrient density. And that’s really what fuels our hormones into a better state.
Christine Garvin 2:17
Nice. So with the minerals do you do? Do you have a particular test that you like doing above others? Because I know there’s different options out there?
Kasey Goins 2:26
Yeah, so in my in my practice right now, so in my one on one practice, and then inside of one of our group programs, we use a hair tissue mineral analysis test, through trace elements, I love that test, it just gives us like such valuable info. Again, like how our hormones are functioning is determined by how our minerals are functioning. So I love using the HTM HS for that.
Christine Garvin 2:45
Oh, nice. Yeah, and it’s a it’s a pretty affordable test, right? When it comes to testing right off labor before you go in for like, the big expensive guns that are going to actually, you know, tell you your hormonal makeup, it’s like, but yeah, let’s get underneath it and see what’s going on. Can you explain to women too, because, you know, as you just mentioned, minerals are the sparkplugs of our hormones, but also, you know, our cells, our cellular structure and mitochondria and our adrenals, which are such a big part of hormone balance and imbalance, can you kind of talk about that connection, particularly with the adrenals?
Kasey Goins 3:23
Yeah, for sure. I mean, there’s a huge connection between all of it, like everything affects everything in the body. And so if you think of it kind of like a, like a pyramid, your hormones are the very tip of the pyramid, they’re always like the last thing to fall. So if our hormones are dysfunctional, we’ve got like layers of work deeper to do beyond that. And so, you know, kind of going back to, you know, to the adrenals, specifically, you know, thinking about the role that cortisol and that stress plays in the body, if our, if we’re under a tremendous amount of stress, or we’re type A is and we’re perfectionist, so we don’t know how to cope with things. And our adrenals are like constantly pumping out the cortisol, it’s going to dis regulate our blood sugar, it’s going to increase our estrogen, it’s going to drop our progesterone. And so now all of a sudden, we’ve got hormonal chaos. It’s not the hormones that are the problem. It’s the stress, that’s the problem. And so resolving that and then also, you know, resolving the underlying, you know, metabolic stressors looking at our cellular health is the first place to start.
Christine Garvin 4:20
What Why do you think so many, I mean, not just women, but people in general, have mineral imbalances going on? Oh, my gosh. It’s such a low. Yeah, sorry.
Kasey Goins 4:34
No, but like, I mean, just like look at the way that we live. You know, like the vast majority of us, we’re working. We’re working eight to five office jobs. We don’t see the light of day we don’t get out in nature. We’re sleeping terrible. We’re running on caffeine. We’re eating processed foods. We’re skipping meals. We’re not eating enough protein. I mean, like that. All right, there
Christine Garvin 4:56
is going to be done and done. Right, like we’re
Kasey Goins 4:59
just dip bleeding the body further and further and further, you know, the more stress that we’re under, the more that we’re depleting our body of these precious minerals that really make up the way that we run. The other thing that I would add to that, too, is like our environment, you know, the way that we like practice agriculture, the way that we farm, like our soil is just depleted of minerals. And so a lot of these things can be really difficult to get in if we’re not focused on it.
Christine Garvin 5:24
Yeah. And, you know, I like to remind people because I feel like for so long, people understood that you have to eat food to survive, right and to get calories, but are the allopathic medical system has never made that connection, that the literal nutrients, the vitamins and the minerals, and, you know, all the trace elements in these foods actually make up our entire body, they make up ourselves, they make up our tissues, they make up our bones, they make up our hormones, or neurotransmitters, right. And so sometimes I think that in and of itself is mind blowing for people to really start to equate like it, that food, food is there for us to break it down and get all of these nutrients in order to not only survive, but thrive. So if you’re not getting it via an app, and
Kasey Goins 6:12
Exactly, yeah, that’s it’s It’s always, it’s always the place that we start is with nutrition. And it like It still blows my mind that the medical community has not kind of almost like caught up to that. Yeah, like, I don’t even want to say caught up. Because like, that’s, that’s the way it’s always been. But then, you know, then we bring in modern medicine and a lot of like, you know, diagnosing based on symptoms and prescribing a band aids treatment for it. And it’s like, well, you know, are you even like, is anybody even asking how you’re eating and how you’re sleeping? And how your stresses and like, all that stuff?
Christine Garvin 6:47
Yeah. So you were a PA previously, right? So you know, the system very well? Yeah. Yeah. Very well. Yeah. And so it was funny, because I actually was just talking to another doctor who moved into functional medicine. And she really explained so well about how, you know, it’s like, you have to code things, right? Like, yes, if it hasn’t, if it hasn’t been sort of research, and, you know, falling into this diagnosis, and coded so the insurance can do this, and this, and it’s this whole process, then it’s like, it doesn’t exist, like, for example, adrenal dysregulation, a lot of doctors, traditional doctors don’t necessarily believe in it, right? They only believe, once your adrenals have gone kaput, or you know, your Graves disease or something like that. Right. So when you were working in that, I mean, were you just finding yourself frustrated? Or at that point, were you like, I just don’t know anything different? Or how was that?
Kasey Goins 7:46
It’s really interesting. Because my, as I always like to tell people, I’ve been on both sides of the table. So like, you know, on the one side of the table, like practicing medicine, practice as a PA for six years, and then the other side of the table, like having my own hormonal struggles, and like, you know, losing my period for three years, and all my labs were normal, and like, you know, hair loss and anxiety, and like, all those things that went with it. And so, like, I know what it’s like to kind of be in both worlds. But when I when I went to PA school, you know, like, right out of college, I was like, This is it, like modern medicine is the way, you know, like, this is the only way like, we are healing people. And I got I got about two years into practice. And I was like, What the heck are we do? Like, I literally, like I just was prescribing like, all day, every day, I mean, 1000s of prescriptions for things that I know, could be solved with a better diet and some exercise and some sunlight. And like, it just it wasn’t there was just such a big disconnect. And so part of what really turned me on to functional medicine was I just felt like I was doing so much pill pushing. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, there was a lot of frustration too, especially with the way that you know, it kind of insurance came in and the way that billing work does, it’s like the more patients you saw in the more complex patients you saw the more money the hospital system made. And that drove me nuts. I was like, This is not a health based system. This is just another money driven system. Right?
Christine Garvin 9:09
So was it in during that time when you were practicing as a PA that you lost your period for three years?
Kasey Goins 9:16
It was before that it was actually during PA school?
Christine Garvin 9:18
Kasey Goins 9:22
All the stress? Yeah, all the caffeine. Yeah, but under eating Yep.
Christine Garvin 9:27
So did your doctors want to put you on birth control I’m assuming to quote unquote, regulate your hormones.
Kasey Goins 9:32
You know, actually, I was already on okay, we’re sorry. Yeah. Um, yeah, so my, my journey with my hormones really stemmed from being so deep into the fitness industry, and being so deep into bodybuilding. I was way over training way under eating and very hypothyroid my body just was like, we can’t do this anymore. So you know, your body will turn off your reproductive system and turns off unimportant functions. definitely trying to survive. And then the stress of PA school on top of that, so yeah, I was I was actually on birth control for about 12 years before a before I was off.
Christine Garvin 10:08
Oh, wow. So then how did you end up getting your period back?
Kasey Goins 10:13
I mean, it was kind of a conglomeration of things, but one being eating more training less, you know, really focusing on like, back then I was eating very low carb, and so it was increasing carbon take increasing caloric intake overall, but also, like, just changing the nutrient density. And, you know, I was so used to living on like, you know, what would call like, macro friendly foods, you know, like the sugar free things, and the fat free thing is not even realizing the ingredients that I was putting into my body. Yeah. And so a shift away from that and into more whole foods, more nutrient dense foods, for sure.
Christine Garvin 10:48
Yeah. I mean, it’s kind of simple in a lot of ways, right? Like, yeah, but it’s so hard, because we live in a culture that’s like, even, you know, I mean, I get continent sometimes, too, right? It’s like, even if it’s healthy food, these fast foods, and they have a lot of ingredients in them, you know, and so it’s like, you know, I’m not saying for people to never eat them at all, but it’s just we need that becomes a huge part of your diet, it’s gonna be it’s gonna have its impact, for sure. Definitely. Well, so what finally made you decide to sort of be done with being a PA and go into the functional side of things?
Kasey Goins 11:24
Yeah. So I mean, I guess it was, it’s kind of like a journey over the last three years, I would say. So what I did is, when I entered into my functional medicine training, I was still working as a PA. So I kind of like built up my business on the side, it was working a lot of like, weekends, a lot of nights. Yeah, your adrenals. I know. I know. We definitely need a lot of replenishment. So building things up on the side, and then eventually, actually, this past January, they let me go, I got fired from my corporate job. And I was like, this is the best blessing perfect is, yeah, yeah, it was literally just the catalysts that I needed to keep going.
Christine Garvin 12:07
Well, and I love that you bring that up, because I think I see a lot of women going through big struggles around their health right now. Right. And sometimes we need to make those big changes in order for our health to really change. You know, I mean, there’s so many things that obviously the minerals, the diet, you know, the movement, all those things are so important that a lot of us are missing. But sometimes when that stress is so big from a job or being you know, in a with a partner that things aren’t working well, or what have you, like, sometimes it’s that’s what’s got to change in order for our health to change.
Kasey Goins 12:43
It really is. And it’s the part that most people don’t want to acknowledge or address, you know, we can all change the way that we eat, and we can all change the way that we you know, support our liver and like less caffeine and stuff. But I mean, it’s, you know, if there’s a major stressor that’s really unresolved, that’s gonna take its toll.
Christine Garvin 13:04
Yep, exactly. And it’s gonna keep like calling out you until you like, pay attention to it, too. Right. So what are some of the biggest issues that you see with the women that are coming to work with you in terms of the hormone issues?
Kasey Goins 13:16
Yeah. Honestly, like, everything’s kind of across the board, a lot of PCOS, a lot of endometriosis. A lot of just, you know, estrogen dominant type situations are really painful, heavy, long periods. PMDD, PMS, hair loss, anxiety, depression, thyroid issues,
Christine Garvin 13:36
all the good stuff, all of it. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, a lot of it is, it does have the same base route that it’s coming from. Right. Yes. Yeah.
Kasey Goins 13:48
Go ahead. Yeah. It just, it always comes from like stress and metabolism. Yeah. Always. It’s always that metabolic stress is good to just like, throw off every system. Yep,
Christine Garvin 13:57
there you go. So once you kind of work with them on rebalancing their minerals, what is usually sort of the next step?
Kasey Goins 14:05
Yeah. So I think we, you know, we kind of take a very, like, I say, holistic approach, but even though it is but kind of just like a well rounded approach, so like, while we’re working on balancing minerals, we’re also like, just packing their diet full of nutrients. You know, so we’re working on like, Okay, are you eating enough protein? Are we getting a lot of like Whole Foods, complex carbs, you know, do we have enough fats in the diet? Are we getting, you know, things like grass fed beef, liver, you know, just lots of like nutrients in that way. And at the same time, you know, kind of putting in some supplements to bridge gaps where we need to bridge gaps. So, you know, supporting detox systems and gut health, like we kind of just pull it all in a little bit at a time together.
Christine Garvin 14:47
I know. And sometimes it’s like, we have to figure out per the individual, like what they can and can’t handle at any given time, right. So yeah, some can go slower and some can go faster and all of that stuff. Yeah, yeah. So I have to ask because people always, you know, come to me about this and asked me, So what are your thoughts on how much protein A woman should be getting a day? How many grams?
Kasey Goins 15:13
Yeah, there’s a lot of controversy around around that. I usually go for like 100 grams a day minimum. So a lot of women will need more than that, especially like, if you’re active, if you’re trying to put muscle mass on something like that. PCOS, a lot of times, we’ll need a little bit more protein to but 100 grams a day minimum.
Christine Garvin 15:34
I know it’s crazy, right? Because I’ll often start my clients off on let’s get you to ad because so many of them will literally be getting like 40 grams of protein a day, you know, and I’m like, You need to be getting like 30 grams for breakfast. Not 40 grams for your day. So but it blows people’s minds, right? Because they’re, like, cancel on a protein. And I’m like, you know, I mean, it’s like, if you start to I mean, it’s, it’s hard to do it if you’re vegetarian, obviously, pretty impossible if you’re vegan. So, you know, it definitely can mean different food choices for different people.
Kasey Goins 16:11
Yeah, it for sure can. And I also think like, you know, transitioning into that, like, just just being more conscientious of like, you know, what, like, what am I actually eating, you know, because a lot of people come in, and it’s like, you know, either they’re skipping breakfast, which they there’s 30 grams of protein gone. Right, right. Right. And they’re drinking coffee. Yeah, yeah. Or it’s like, you know, a muffin or a granola bar or a piece of toast. And it’s like, okay, you know, so even even just like focusing on like that one simple shift. Yeah, can sometimes be enough to just like, change the game for
Christine Garvin 16:44
a few 100%. That’s why I always say, like, breakfast, breakfast breakfast, if you can, like, get that down. It’s gonna change your day. You know? salutely your blood sugar’s like, alright, I can do it now.
Kasey Goins 16:55
To make it through the day. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Christine Garvin 16:57
What are some of the other like, big things around diet that women kind of struggle with? Do you feel like when they come to see you,
Kasey Goins 17:04
I feel like so I feel like honestly, a lot of it is convenience. You know, a lot of women. I mean, let’s just face it. Like, we’re busy people, you know, we’re, we’re on the go. And we’ve got jobs, and we’ve got kids and families and like, we’re constantly doing things. Yeah. And so I think one of the one of the hardest things for people is like, finding the time to cook, honestly. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it can be really difficult. I mean, fortunately, now, like, there are some really good options for like meal delivery, delivery, exactly like that. Yeah,
Christine Garvin 17:38
I know, a lot of women will feel guilty about doing that. Or some women well, or like, they’re like, I shouldn’t spend the money. I’m like, Look, if you can’t do it, if you can’t find the time, if you don’t have time to shock. Like, it’s so worth it. Don’t feel guilty about it. You’re doing 5 million things. Like it’s okay to take care of yourself in this way. Yes. It’s so I think it’s so worth it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I know, I was trying to think of sort of the other thing that definitely the cooking. And I feel like shifting that, you know, not eating such a big meal at night, necessarily. And eating that bigger meal in the morning is like that sort of because culturally, we’re the opposite, right? It’s like, eat a small breakfast, often eat a small lunch, and then you’re starving by the end of the day, right? So you eat this like huge meal at night. And it’s like, we need to flip that around. Yeah, yeah.
Kasey Goins 18:35
Yeah. It’s a very big switch. Yeah, that’s a very big switch. And I also feel just like, just like taking the time and like, kind of slowing down a little bit. Yeah. Like actually, like, enjoying our food. Yeah, he’ll
Christine Garvin 18:48
not be like working while we’re eating and watching TV or whatever being on our phones. Yeah, that’s some of the biggest stuff. What about movement? Is that an issue for a lot of the women that come to you?
Kasey Goins 19:00
Um, I would say yes, and no, so I’ve gotten a lot of questions lately about like, HIIT training, you know, like, why, like, why is that you know, or like a, you know, cardio, like, why is that like, so impactful for the body. And the thing is, is with movement, the way that we choose to move our bodies can either be beneficial to us on our journey, or it can compound stress hormones. And so we want to make sure that we’re choosing like the right type of movement that’s actually going to support us. And even like support where we’re at in our menstrual cycle to you know, as as our hormones fluctuate, and things will start to change. And we’re actually doing an upcoming workshop on this, which I’m really excited about. But as things will fluctuate with the menstrual cycle, our movement should change a little bit and the way that we work should change a little bit. So if all we’re doing is like, you know, hit training, CrossFit, spin, you know, long, long, intense cardio sessions, like if we’re driving up that cortisol, we’re going to make it more difficult for our bodies to heal. So fortunately, like I, you know, feel really grateful that I You have come from like a weightlifting background. Yeah, you know where because like, that’s, that’s like one of the biggest pieces we’ll pull in and walking. Like, once. It’s like so far. So foundational. Yeah,
Christine Garvin 20:11
yeah. I mean, you know, I saw people that I live in the Blue Ridge Mountains, in Asheville, North Carolina. And so I’m lucky, right, because I have this, like, beautiful mountains right outside my door. But like the impacts of walking, even if it’s just around your neighborhood, you know, because not only is it just a very easy thing on the body, generally, you know, I mean, not everyone’s body, but for the most part, but you’re also connecting with nature, which is such a huge thing that we are disconnected from, I have to tell this little story, even though it’s kind of like, it’s funny, but I haven’t seen this tick tock trend, but my friend was telling me about it, where you stand next to a tree, like kind of close Have you heard about this? So it’s like, you know, you want you want it to be to where branches like, no more than maybe like five or six inches from you or something. And you just kind of whisper to it, you know, tree, if you hear me, touch my shoulder or tree, if you hear me touch my face. And the tree, the tree branch will like come and touch people, right? And I was like, Really, and my friend actually showed a video to me of her doing it. And it was just such a good reminder, right that like, we are connected to nature, how like, Absolutely, like in such a, like, such small ways that we don’t even think about it. But like, if you actually get outside and connect with it, like it can be one of the most healing things out of everything. Because we’re supposed to be out there. Like that’s how we were born. Right. That’s how human beings have always lived in concert. And we’ve just gotten so out of that. So I love that trend, because it really shows specifically, you know, the branch coming to you and touching you
Kasey Goins 21:59
was so cool. I’m gonna be on the lookout for it. Open Tik Tok, I’m gonna like look for that.
Christine Garvin 22:05
I know, because I was thinking I need to start sharing it with some of my clients, because I feel like it’s a very impactful, like, yes. See, we are connected to nature, not just this, like, I don’t know, you know, a theoretical idea that we are, you know, or woowoo kind of thing. So it’s
Kasey Goins 22:22
it, it makes a huge difference. It does. Yeah. And there’s even like, you know, there’s even upcoming research on like, how, you know, just getting your feet in soil? The gut microbiome? Yes. You know, and like, I mean, that’s, that’s huge. If you think about it, like it’s just your feet and soil, but like you’re positively impacting your gut bacteria. Yeah. And like, that has huge impacts on your health.
Christine Garvin 22:42
Absolutely. And I was just talking about this on another podcast, and it’s happened to me, you know, I had COVID, late December, early January this year, and I had a mild case, but probably about a month later, my gut was just off, right. And studies are coming out now showing that COVID changes our gut microbiome. And so it’s even more important, like what you’re saying, like, get your feet in the soil, you know, really, you got to be nice to your microbiome, if you’ve had COVID, which a majority of us have had at this point, you know, or we’ll be getting it. And so really kind of thinking about that, and the healing process from it to is is hugely important.
Kasey Goins 23:25
Yeah, for sure. And it’s kind of just like circling back to like what we talked about earlier, like our it’s our body systems that need to be supported. And our gut health is one of those things. You know, I like to it was like, didn’t only tell my clients like, you know, when we’re thinking about hormones, everyone thinks about like estrogen and progesterone, we’re talking about sex hormones. And, you know, estrogen is really is moved out of the body through waste, and part of it is metabolized in the gut. So if your guts not healthy, you’re not going to be like moving estrogen out very well. It’s gonna get recirculated. You’re gonna continue to have problems with estrogen dominance. Yep. And so it always comes back to those systems
Christine Garvin 24:03
100%, you got to get them all, like they want to work well, right. It’s just like, we just need to like, give them the tools that they need, in order to really, let’s bring it back around to stress. And so I think that’s such a huge, you know, obviously important factor. What are some of the things that you recommend to women to start to de stress?
Kasey Goins 24:23
Yeah, it really depends on the person. I think when it comes to stress, like you have to find something that you enjoy doing. If you hate it, it’s gonna stick and there’s no point.
Christine Garvin 24:34
We’re like, I don’t like meditating. I’m like, Alright, let’s figure something else out.
Kasey Goins 24:38
Go do it. Yeah, yeah. And we have, I mean, a ton of different modalities. You know, I have I have some clients that do have, you know, history of trauma, and they are in therapy and EMDR. And like that, you know, nervous system. reregulation needs to be happening, but even on a daily basis, I mean, I have a lot of clients that will journal or gratitude journal, a lot of clients that spend time in prayer Even just like fighting 10 minutes for yourself, you know, if you’re if you’re busy and you have kids, like if you can just close yourself in a bedroom for like 10 minutes and just kind of sit there and breathe, I mean, that’s gonna have like huge profound impacts on your stress levels on your cortisol levels just even doing that. Yep. So 100% Basic, like basic sounding, but like, it really just needs to be basic, is
Christine Garvin 25:24
it but it’s so hard for people to they feel like to carve out five to 10 minutes a day for especially women for themselves, right. So it’s like this basic thing that they struggle with doing. And so that’s why I like to bring up as much as I can on this podcast and like, have people that are listening to the podcast, hear it from as many different practitioners as possible, right? Because we need to hear these things multiple times. Right for them to get in. And yeah, just to bring it back around, you know, so, what, what other testing do you end up doing? Besides the minerals? Do you just focus on the minerals? Or are there other tests?
Kasey Goins 26:00
No, so what with one on one, we dive deeper, so we’ll run a GI map? You know, so looking at stool testing, if anyone has, you know, obviously, if anyone is having like digestive issues, but any history of like autoimmunity, frequent antibiotic use, like I was like to dig into the gut a little bit there. I also do. So we do blood labs. So we’ll do full setup, blood labs, iron panels, full thyroid panels, like all the good stuff. I have run Dutch tests in the past. So like, actually like looking at hormones metabolites breakdown, I don’t run it as much as I used to, honestly, because I just find that like, by working on all the foundational things and doing all of those other testing, like we often don’t need to touch the hormones. There are specific cases that I will run it and then I’ve also gotten really into iodine testing as well. So no, I don’t Okay,
Christine Garvin 26:56
so tell us more about this. Because I know that there’s debates on which iodine test is good or not. So I’m super interested to hear what you have to say.
Kasey Goins 27:06
Yeah, I personally have been using the Hakala labs 24 hour urine, okay, action. So looking at urinary excretion of iodine,
Christine Garvin 27:14
okay, is that one where you have to take iodine and see how much excretes or Yes, yep, yep, it’s
Kasey Goins 27:21
a loading dose tablet that you take, and then you do a 24 hour urine collection, essentially. And so that’s a lab.
Christine Garvin 27:26
Gotcha. Okay. And is it usually like 50 milligrams of iodine? Or
Kasey Goins 27:31
I can’t even remember, it’s I think it is. It’s really high, though. Yeah. It’s a really high dose
Christine Garvin 27:35
in do you end up finding that a lot of women are low in iodine? A lot of them? Yeah, a lot of so what are your thoughts on sort of dosing iodine? And I know, obviously, it’s dependent on what’s showing up on their test. But there’s a lot of debate around that too, right. And obviously, like, if you have Hashimotos, versus if you don’t, but yeah, tell me your thoughts on it.
Kasey Goins 27:58
There’s, I just like such a heavily debated topic, and you know, a lot of it, I mean, a lot of it was pushed from the wolf tricot study, you know, way back when, and the mainstream media catches on, the medical community catches on and all of a sudden, you know, we were using iodine for basically everything. It was an antiseptic, I mean, we literally use it for everything. Yeah. And all of a sudden, it’s like, oh, it’s gonna destroy your thyroid gland. And like, they can’t even replicate that study now. You know, so So the RDA, the RDA sets the recommendations for the dietary intake of iodine at 150 micrograms, which is actually really low, like very, very low. Yeah. So if you look at like other cultures, like, you know, the Japanese, for example, they might have one bowl of soup with eight milligrams of iodine.
Christine Garvin 28:45
Kasey Goins 28:46
Yeah, it’s a ton. Yeah, it’s a ton. So. So when we do when we do iodine, we, I try to titrate it up somewhere between like 12 and a half to maybe 25 milligrams depending on the body and can handle but there’s a lot of like, I didn’t do not recommend just like going straight. So planning that iodine, like there’s a lot of thyroid support that has to happen before you get to that point. So definitely work with a practitioner on that one. But But yeah, I mean, I just the research that was coming out is just so vastly different than what is being preached. So even in clients who have Hashimotos, you know, an or, you know, impending where they’re producing antibodies. Often with, you know, taking things like really slow, a lot of times those antibodies will come down with iodine, even though we’ve been told for years, like it’s gonna destroy it, if it’s on me, and it’s just not the case.
Christine Garvin 29:42
Right? Because, like, as you said, a lot of times they’ll people will go in without using the cofactors that you initiate right and then it’s gonna make things that if you do that situation, yeah. Yeah, I find that so fascinating because particularly, you know, with things like fibrocystic breasts, Yeah, and a variant cysts and fibroids, which I’ve dealt with like iodine, lack of iodine is a huge part of those too, you know, do you find when you can get your clients up to that, you know, 12 to 25 number that they can go off thyroid medication, sometimes that there on it, or does that not necessarily change that?
Kasey Goins 30:24
It can change it? I haven’t. I haven’t yet had a I have a handful of thyroid clients who are actually on medication for it, but not a ton. So I have seen it lower dosages. But yeah, I mean, theoretically, you can get off your thyroid medication. Personally, I haven’t had any clients like that. Yeah, do that. Yeah. Yeah. I
Christine Garvin 30:45
always I always wonder about that. Because, you know, I’ve seen different practitioners talk about that. But trying to figure out that place, and sometimes I guess, how long you’re on it to, you know, yeah, a difference. Yeah,
Kasey Goins 30:58
it can make a big difference. And the other thing, too, is like antibodies. Thyroid antibodies take a while to shift. I mean, you can be you could be looking at a couple of years before your antibodies are really down into like, a good range from being
Christine Garvin 31:11
high really high. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. Do you see a decent amount of Hashimotos? In your clients? Or?
Kasey Goins 31:19
I wouldn’t say a ton. I’ve probably got. I don’t know, maybe? Yeah, maybe only a handful over the last couple of years. Okay. Yeah. Very common, though. Yes,
Christine Garvin 31:29
it is. Yeah, absolutely. So when you do the mineral work, and bring in these other things out, how long does it usually take women to start to, you know, really notice a difference?
Kasey Goins 31:41
That also depends. I think that’s very person dependent. I’ve had some clients that like, a week, and they’re like, oh, my gosh, I feel so much.
Christine Garvin 31:49
Yeah. And you’re always like, like, let’s give it a few more days before you feeling that way. Yes.
Kasey Goins 31:58
And then I, you know, kind of in contrast, I’ve got some clients that are, you know, they’re at four months, and they really don’t feel a ton different at all. And so that’s why the deeper digging starts and the deeper digging into like, Okay, is there something traumatic in your past and nervous system stuff we have to address? And so it just, it’s very dependent on the on the person and on their resiliency? Yeah. A lot of people are super resilient to things, and a lot of people are not, yes. So yeah. As much as the body will let us
Christine Garvin 32:31
100%. And I brought that up, because I think it’s important for people to hear that too, that, you know, for a lot of women, I’m sure that you see a lot of women that I see, we’re talking about years of imbalances, yes, before this, right. It’s not just like, Oh, they’ve been feeling bad for a few months. And then they come it’s like, they’re at this point now where they can’t do anything without get seeking help. But it’s really like been 20 years of this, like slow downgrade, you know, and so you can’t expect that in 2346 months, sometimes sometimes, you know, like, we’re looking at a year before you really start to see some major differences, because these things sometimes have to go layer by layer.
Kasey Goins 33:12
They do they really do we kind of have to peel them back slowly, I think. And you know, that’s that’s kind of one thing about about the healing journey, as we all want it to look like this nice, linear upward line, and it just doesn’t feel like a roller coaster sometimes. Yeah, but like, but that’s okay. You know, because I think, you know, I think especially in the in the world of like, the functional realm, like there’s so much more that we can dig into, whereas like, you know, if your healing journey was a roller coaster, and you went to your doctor, they would be like, well, let’s just put you back on birth control. And it’s like, well, we got like, 800 other things in our arsenal, we can still dig into Yep. So I, it, there’s always There’s always hope, I think for the body to
Christine Garvin 33:53
Yeah, so when you were a PA, I mean, would you get to that point, a lot of times were like, well, this is there’s nothing else we can do. Or you just have to be on this medication, that kind of thing.
Kasey Goins 34:04
It was Yeah. So it was really different because I worked in family practice. So we saw a little bit of everything. And mostly, we mostly people came in hoping or looking to get a medication and hoping and looking to be told that specific wrong. Yeah. So and a lot of women that would come in, you know, like with period problems or PCOS and they’re like, Yeah, I’m just really hoping to start birth control and it’s like, okay. But there’s also like, a big distinction between, you know, the functional side of things and like the modern medicine side of things. And so, as a corporation, my company was looking for me to practice modern medicine, right. They were looking for me to practice functional medicine. So there were some kind of like, muddy waters there, I think, too. But yeah, it was it was it got it got very difficult after a while, you know, like just, you know, kind of just like writing one more prescribe. And it was like, Man, this is just like really
Christine Garvin 35:03
hard. Yeah, yeah. Because you’re like, This is not getting to the root of it at all. Yeah, yeah. Well, I’m so glad that you were able to, you know, get out of that and into something that you really love and like, find the purpose, right? Because, you know, I feel like we’re living in a time we’re being called to do that. And particularly, yeah,
Kasey Goins 35:27
I think so too. And I that’s one thing I love is I feel like, maybe this is just me, because I’m really good in my own little bubble. I don’t know. But I feel like this generation is finally starting to see the pitfalls and the downfalls of how modern medicine has always done things. And we’re looking, we’re looking and we’re seeking alternative approaches. And I really feel like it’s our generation that’s going to propel this thing forward. And I think I honestly think a lot of it has to do with social media. And like, Tiktok, like Tiktok has just like blown the world of functional medicine up I feel like and people are like, why? It’s like their eyes are finally opened. And it’s amazing.
Christine Garvin 36:07
Yeah, it’s incredible, right? I mean, it’s like, there’s good and bad when it comes to social media, but I totally agree with what you’re saying. Like it just, it takes it to so many more people and so many younger people too, although I know Tik Tok is now like, apparently, it’s like a lot of women in their 40s are on Tik Tok. Yeah, like myself. But yeah, I mean, this, it’s interesting, right? Because timing wise, I think was last week, that big study came out on how low serotonin is not the cause of depression, essentially. Right. So these SSRIs that we’ve been using, for so long, and I, you know, I was one of the caveat, like, I know, women that have used them, and they’ve been helpful. And you know, I’m not trying to take anyone’s anyone’s antidepressants away, if they are helping them, you know, but it’s just kind of the information that is coming out is something that, you know, functional practitioners have been saying for years, like, it’s not, it’s not this thing, it’s not this neurotransmitter that is too low, or you know, or too high, or what have you. It’s like, there’s a reason for the neurotransmitter to be too low or too high. You know, there’s all of these underlying things. And that’s what you have to get at, including, like you just mentioned, like that trauma component, that I think so many of us are missing out on really digging into, you know, and working with because we all we all got trauma.
Kasey Goins 37:35
I know. Well, yeah. And that’s that’s part of it, too, is like a lot of
I haven’t had a dramatic It’s, um, you know, but but even even years, I’ve been under exercising and I, you know, growing up in a really strict household like that can be traumatic sometimes to a young kid.
Christine Garvin 38:05
100%. Yeah, I tell people all the time, like, because they’ll be like, Oh, nothing really happened bad when I’m as a kid, and I’m, you know, and I say, well, there’s big T trauma, right? And then there’s little T trauma. And so you could have been five years old and like wanting something and your mom said no. And it wasn’t a bad thing that she said, No, but you as your five year old self couldn’t understand the why of the No. So you take it on as you’ve done something bad or you’re bad, or you’re wrong, you know, and that can play out as trauma in our system, right. And so that’s why I’m just like, it’s there. For everyone. On some level, we have to figure out how much it’s running the show in the background, and I’m just a big fan of therapy, particular somatic therapy for you know, so many people, because it’s like, to really be able to like process through that old stuff that we may or may not even remember, you know, that’s kind of running the show in the background. And so, especially if you’ve done all the other things for your hormones, and nothing has worked.
Kasey Goins 39:04
Yes, I think so too. I’ve actually had a couple of clients that I’ve kind of, like, hit that point where it’s like, man, we’ve spent the last year together, and we’ve made some changes, but they’re not massive, and it’s like, what’s that missing piece? And it’s usually nervous system. dysregulated usually is. Yeah, and I think I think a big part of that, that kind of also plays in is like, you know, the the belief and you know, kind of this this identity that we create for ourselves, you know, like, we have to fully believe that our body wants to heal, we have to fully believe that our body wants to get better. And if we’ve got these thoughts that are running through our mind of like, well, you know, this is just how it’s going to be and, you know, this sucks, and I’m never going to feel better. Like of course your body’s not going to want to
Christine Garvin 39:48
Kasey Goins 39:49
So are we recreate a lot of the environment just by what we think and what we feel and what we believe to
Christine Garvin 39:56
have. Absolutely and I’ve been through this personally, so I know it from personal experience, you know, it’s like, you can sort of work as hard and all of these things with your diet and your supplementation and you know, exercise and all of that. But if you have that internal monologue running on, I’m not going to get better or like, look, you know, you’re always looking for like, the thing that is showing you that you’re not getting better, you know, and then you that, then you’re stuck in that loop. So, the mindset, yeah, in my, my program, we talked about mindset, but I also talked about working on that trauma component, too, because a lot of times you can’t really change the mindset. And so yeah, the trauma, you know, so, so because people will be like, I’m trying, I’m doing affirmations and I’m like, yeah, they’re not gonna work if there’s this like, underlying thing that’s running the show, right? Those affirmations are gone right out the door.
Kasey Goins 40:51
They’re just words at that point. Exactly. Oh, they really are. actually did that last November, I did a I think it was a four week virtual hypnotherapy hypnotherapist out of Salt Lake City. And that was amazing. I mean, you know, digging, digging back into like, old beliefs and stuff, like going back to when you’re like four or five years old and bringing up these, you know, traumatic experiences that play out in our lives and form, who we are and how we behave and how we see ourselves and how we interact with other people. And it’s just, it was so interesting to like, dig that deep and also so therapeutic. Yeah, you know, because once we once we weed the garden, we can plant new plants.
Christine Garvin 41:31
Exactly. Absolutely. So good. So tell people how they can work with you.
Kasey Goins 41:38
Yeah, for sure. So first thing if you want to get in touch with me Instagram is probably the place to do it and most active over there. But we have we have so things are always moving in my world like I love we’ve got like something for everybody. So we’ve got like, you know, mini corset like you know, anything from like $67 mini courses to group programs to one on one work. But you know if if you want to come over and say hi on Instagram and you know, want to find a good fit for you just DM me, I’m more than happy to chat through things.
Christine Garvin 42:09
All right. I like it. Sounds good. Well, thank you so much for being here with us today.
Kasey Goins 42:15
Thank you so much for having me.
Christine Garvin 42:18
It was great. All right, you guys. I will see you next time.